Kubernetes in China with Dan Kohn

Chinese Internet companies operate at a massive scale.

WeChat has over a billion users and is widely used as the primary means of payment by urban Chinese consumers. Alibaba ships 12 million packages per day, which is four times the amount of Amazon. JD.com, a Chinese ecommerce company, has perhaps the largest production Kubernetes installation in the world.

China’s rapid adoption of Internet services, combined with a large population and a growing middle class has led to the creation of Internet giants on par with the social networks, ecommerce sites, and ridesharing startups of the United States.

Last November, I attended the first KubeCon China and saw firsthand how the Chinese Internet companies are using open source software to scale their infrastructure.

Despite the differences between the US and China, the culture of technologists at KubeCon felt familiar. In some ways, it was just like any other Kubernetes conference that I have attended: large numbers of engineers trying to find the cutting edge of technology, and learning how to solve the problems they are facing back at the office.

There were presentations on scaling databases and service meshes and machine learning on Kubernetes. Outside of these presentation halls, there were tables where you could pick up a translation device so that Chinese-only and English-only presentations could be understood by the other nationality.

Dan Kohn joins the show to talk about Chinese Internet companies and how they are adopting Kubernetes. Dan is the executive director of the Cloud Native Computing Foundation, an organization within the Linux Foundation that organizes KubeCon. Before joining the CNCF, Dan worked as an entrepreneur, engineer, and executive at several technology companies.



Transcript provided by We Edit Podcasts. Software Engineering Daily listeners can go to weeditpodcasts.com/sed to get 20% off the first two months of audio editing and transcription services. Thanks to We Edit Podcasts for partnering with SE Daily. Please click here to view this show’s transcript.




Mesosphere’s Kubernetes-as-a-service provides single-click Kubernetes deployment with simple management, security features, and high availability to make your Kubernetes deployment easy. To find out how Mesosphere Kubernetes-as-a-Service can help you easily deploy Kubernetes, check out softwareengineeringdaily.com/mesospheretoday.


Manifold makes your life easier by providing a single workflow to organize your services, connect your integrations, and share with your team. While Manifold is completely free to use, if you head over to manifold.co/sedaily you’ll get a coupon code for $10 which you can use to try out any service on the Manifold marketplace.


Datadog is a cloud-scale monitoring platform for infrastructure and applications. And with Datadog’s new Live Container view, you can see every container’s health, resource consumption, and running processes in real time. See for yourself by starting a free trial and get a free Datadog T-shirt! softwareengineeringdaily.com/datadog.


Get ready to build content-rich websites and professional web applications with Wix Code. Store and manage unlimited data with built-in databases, create dynamic pages, make custom forms and take full control of your site’s functionality with Wix Code APIs and JavaScript. Plus, now you can get 10-percent off your Premium plan. Go to Wix.com/SED.

Software Daily

Software Daily

Subscribe to Software Daily, a curated newsletter featuring the best and newest from the software engineering community.